The Lost Sandhya. Will she ever find her way ?

The Lost Sandhya. Will she ever find her way ? 
This was my reaction in Nov 2011 and for which now I have the answer.

15th Nov 2011

I wouldn't mind at all if Bhabho slaps her one or two times.

She has lot of attitude and that too idiotic one, The girl is behaving as if she never  ever lived in practical world. seems was too busy living in her dream world. so much that she forgot to see and know her brother and what kind of sibling he was. her brother is as much a stranger as her husband whom she married just now. Pathetic girl!!! she is exacerbating everyone's temper. Now her excuse that her brother cheated her, i feel that she deserves it in every manner.

28th July 2013

At that time in Nov 2011, I meant slaps for reality-checks to get her out of denial and shock phase. daylily121 wrote her observation and I observed that Sandhya has been too lost in her dream to have a grip on reality.

In retrospect, today, how true was that observation. Sandhya was too lost in her dream and not only that it was her life. She really needed a Sooraj to snap out of her dream phase and enter reality phase and after that Sooraj showed her way to go for her dreams with open eyes, weighing her dream on the scale of perceptions of value it has in others eyes.  There was a time, because of her closed eyes, even her blood-kin brother could not let her realize her dream. Now today, Sandhya has reassessed her dream, the value it holds, the priority it takes in her life, everything is changed from the point it was then in Nov 2011. It is not even as important as the people she needs to take care of.

An excerpt from my poem
SurYa in Free Verse


She is lost in her dream.
She has lost her parents.
She feels lost in labirynths of darkness around her.
She sees light in him.
She hold on to his guidance.
She finds her dream back.

She is relieved of her weight of her dream on her soul as he shares it with her to fulfill them.
He is relieved of his need to burn himself to glory as she shares his responsibility with him.
She mesmerizes him with her dedication with her steadfast efforts.
He razzles her with his determination to swim against rough tides.
All they can feel is happiness for themselves and proud of each other for being the other's deserving half.

His desire is that she be recognized for what she deserves.
Her desire is that she be appreciated for what she strives so hard for.
His wish is that he helps her achieve her parents dream for her.
Her wish is that she never let her parents and her husband's dignity be tarnished and aspirations be wasted.

Sooraj is the reason Sandhya happens.
Without Sun there is no Sunset.
Without Sunset there is no Night.
Without Night there is no Dream to see.
Dreams sometimes are meant to be realized.
Dreams have to be realized in Daylight.
Daylight cannot happen without Sun.
Sun let others take his glory in the night that he blesses us with.
Sooraj beckons Sandhya to take charge until sunrise again.

SurYa in Free Verse

He is hopelessly gaga over her.
He is hopelessly smitten by her beauty.
He is hopelessly jealous when someone else takes precedence over him in her heart.
He is hopelessly inconsolable at the thought that she is unhappy with him.
And all she does is to tease him.

He comes alive in his intensely romantic mood.
She goes dead in freezing scare.
He smiles confidently at her as he encompasses her with his presence around her.
She is embarassingly quiet and shy as she allows him to encapsule her.

He can scorch her with his intensity of his love for her.
She cannot allow herself to be scorched as it hurts her.
He understands her.
He adores her.
He wants to take care of her every need.
She admires the tenacity of his love for her.
She enjoys his attention on her.
She basks in its glory of sunshine.

She dazzles him with her calmness.
She amazes him with her indifference.
She stupefies him with her brilliance.
She shames him with her perseverance.
She rapts him with her glorious feats.
All he can feel is happiness for himself and proud of her being his wife.

He is the provider, the nurturer to dependents on him who rise to walk in the glory of his sunshine.
He is Sooraj.
His challenge is that he cannot disappoint those who trust him for his winning glory.
Because he is Sooraj.
He is happy if people around him are happy.

She provides rest to those who return from work, from care, from glory; in the balm of her sunshade.
She is Sandhya.
Her opportunity is that she cannot disappoint those who trust her to find their winning glory.
Because she is Sandhya.
She is honored if people repose trust in her.

His weakness is his love for his loved ones.
He cannot live without them and yet keeps himself in distance watching them chirping around him.
Her strength is her love for her loved ones.
She lives for them in an all pervading quiet absorption with serenity around her.

She is lost in her dream.
She has lost her parents.
She feels lost in labirynths of darkness around her.
She sees light in him.
She hold on to his guidance.
She finds her dream back.

She is relieved of her weight of her dream on her soul as he shares it with her to fulfill them.
He is relieved of his need to burn himself to glory as she shares his responsibility with him.
She mesmerizes him with her dedication with her steadfast efforts.
He razzles her with his determination to swim against rough tides.
All they can feel is happiness for themselves and proud of each other for being the other's deserving half.

His desire is that she be recognized for what she deserves.
Her desire is that she be appreciated for what she strives so hard for.
His wish is that he helps her achieve her parents dream for her.
Her wish is that she never let her parents and her husband's dignity be tarnished and aspirations be wasted.

She buttons his shirts.

She irons his shirts.
She combs his hair.
He ties her blouse strings.
He serves her coffee
He makes her cakes
They make tea together.
They cook Dal Baati Choorma together.
They make Puppets together.
He has learned not to scorch her with his love.
She has warmed up to his burning touch.
And we have seen her appeasing him when he is upset with her negligence of him.
They have broken all records of romancing under married courtship period.
Yet there is no end to their romance.
They can start of anywhere and romance in almost every situation.
Be it the Courtyard
Be it the Storeroom
Be it on the Scooter or the Bicycle.

Sooraj is the reason Sandhya happens.
Without Sun there is no Sunset.
Without Sunset there is no Night.
Without Night there is no Dream to see.
Dreams sometimes are meant to be realized.
Dreams have to be realized in Daylight.
Daylight cannot happen without Sun.
Sun let others take his glory in the night that he blesses us with.
Sooraj beckons Sandhya to take charge until sunrise again.

Alas I am missing an Usha, a Prabhat here spreading their light and illumination around.
And may be we can hope to see them, if you can understand by what I mean !!!!

Deepika Singh

About Deepika Singh and Awards until July 2013 

EP-506-22nd July 2013 - What's with Emily and the Fear Clunk?

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3675639

Okay Emily and Mohit's relationship...this is going to be ranty and wickedness in restraint...

Did they even love each other? Okay if not;do they even know each other ? Okay if not, do they even understand people around them ?

Mohit keeps threatening Emily that he is going to leave her, ditch her, abandon her etc.

And Emily starts crying buckets out of fear. I worry about the child in her womb, how convoluted in fear it might be grow into.

Come on Emily !!! Are you so dumb to even fall into his words?  If Mohit had that much courage to do something, he would not even have got married to you in the 1st place.  He had to give in to his family demands that he remain married to you. You can see it from your eyes every day since the pregnancy news was out.  So what are you even afraid of ????

How come you being in the able position of the Blackmailer, allow yourself to get blackmailed by Mohit ?

Do I have to take the CLUNK in Emily and Mohit's relationship as not well thought execution ?  For that matter, even Chavi and Dilip's pairing is much better. Chavi is good looking and he is looking for that kind of wife...deal done.

Seems Emily and Mohit's relationship is created just like Sudha's need to remain in the story. Sudha always becomes the prop for Meena's scheming selfish brain. Meena wants to get her sister Sudha married off with good match...but she keeps terribly failing.  And then there is that Daisa...even she keeps getting outsmarted by Rathi Parivaar.

The selective choice of loser and gainer labelling is just too obvious in DABH.  Is it really how the common milieu get themselves swayed in fear, greed just to fail...like the firefly getting attracted to light and dying ?!!

I mean there should be some reason for 

1. Dumbness of Emily in believing that Mohit has guts to throw her out. On what basis my dear...just ask him that question.
2. Insecurity of Bhabho and constant scrutiny she keeps on Sandhya and Sooraj...She is just looking for one big failure from them as she needs to be self-righteous.
3. Meena and her greed - she gets to eat, dress, so she wants more. So add her sister into it.  Poor girl, used to be a law student, became a girl to entice men and now becoming assistant in conning again...Does the law student even have any brain of her own ?

How come all who get in touch with Rathi Parivaar start losing brain ?!!!!! except SurYa, Babasa, Chaturi and Chotu...

Hey Mhara Ramji !! Buddhi do inko. Sadbuddhi de do.

Emily by the end of the competition, if she is able to show her middle finger to Mohit and his empty threats, then I would consider, her purpose of participating in the Quiz was to find her confidence back.   

Today the copious tears she let fall at the end of being declared as the 8th contestant to remain in competition, looked so childish if she just had the large heart to see another woman who too came for her kids and a man who too came with his own reasons...she could have seen how the woman bore herself calmly. And inspite of all these tears, she still keeps working to remain in competition...Amazing.  Anyways its time, Emily shed her baggage of being selfish and start looking a normal person who can empathize with others.

Atleast Meena, is learning something in her competition...

So the Rathi Bahus are facing the test of their times...lets see how much human and original they can become away from all RP brainwashing of the NEED to WIN.

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I am just so bored to see Emily and when she comes on screen, I have to prepare myself of her sob-face. The actor playing Emily has perfected herself to enact only three expressions...the tilted look with face turned upwards and eyes looking downwards, the sob-face and elated face that has I am saved look...It just shows how poorly Emily's character is written

For me Emily is no better than Sudha. They are badly used in the plotlines of the drama. 

@niruba.

I agree with you.  Emily and Sandhya cannot be compared at all. And why should Emily give divorce to Mohit? If she stops being dumb, pretty much she can start putting Mohit in his place and have comfortable marriage.

Emily cannot even be compared with Meena.  When Vikram stopped talking to Meena, when her truth came out, how Meena was determined to have him back. Emily for all her need to be wife and being married woman, cannot even function like Meena.  How old is Meena ?! Even she was married very young into the family.

@infan80

Its a ranty post I made. I am just so bored to see Emily on the screen. She is not even entertaining like Meena, Chavi or Chaturi. Because with Emily even Bhabho becomes BORING.  With Emily around, everyone becomes SILENT and Serious. I see the same happening to SurYA and Mohit becomes Sulky. The guy was not this sulky before. Bhabho too goes silent unlike what she is with Meena, Chavi, Chaturi and Sandhya.  Even Babasa has been motivating her...such open support for her and yet she spreads heaviness around her.  When I see this, then I feel maybe the writer purposefully is bringing on the bleak factor.  But they are missing the point that it is now becoming a drag-fest.

Today I could barely watch the episode because of Emily...somehow the first half of the episode was all about Emily, and second part was about competition with Meena;s scene  interspersed in the episode. Meena's scene was most interesting.

You can see how much entertained I felt about today's episode. I just felt like giving my feedback on Emily and her characterization. 

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Hey Mhara Ramji !!

Look at the Fear Clunk...where it is taking us now ???? Didn't I say...Emily remains decent Insaan...itna hi kaafi hoga...Lekin NAHIN NAHIN...woh aur bhi ghinona kaam karengi...mujhe phoot phoot ke rona aa raha hai  

 

Look at this news.  Credit goes to TM arti12345

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3675668

Originally posted by arti12345

Hi folks,

While surfing channels, I stopped at star gold for a movie.

They were showing an ad tag at the bottom of screen :

"Kya emily aur mohit ki beimaani ko jaan payegi sandhya?"

Will Sandhya find out Emily and Mohit's cheating?

I wonder what would be the challenge where highly demotivating mohit will join hands with the doormat emily to win

Please update if any new promo is out wrt this tagline 

Hey Mhara Ramji !!!

Why should Sandhya catch them ??? What is the Quiz show's Production doing ?? Were they bribed to turn off their monitoring and surveillance.  Suddenly Mohit and Emily got the brains to outsmart the Quiz Prod team ?? and Will Sandhya treat the Quiz stage as Rathi Aangan to save Emily another time ?  Sandhya if she saves Emily now...I will have serious doubts on Sandhya integrity towards Policegiri Duty.  Ever since Matka business, Sandhya is unable to side with Truth and unable to prove Truth, for one or the other reasons.

Responded by Shrutiarvi

@SD 2 things can happen. One they cheat in the competition, they can , did WTC production team catch Maiti no right. Sandhya caught. So here also they might manage to do something. See they are doing quite a lot of rounds out dooors.

2nd possibility which has a high chance of occurence. Sandhya knows the real reason for Emily participation. The CF fiasco.  If she decides to sacrifice for Emily for this non sense then Sandhya is no IPS material. Better she sit at home and raise a good family atleast.

Instead let us assume she tells Sooraj, Sooraj confronts Mohit, some tiff happens, Bhabo does her emotional atyachaar on Sandhya telling she is responsible for the tiff between the brothers, her sapna is the reason for trouble in family.

This explains the contest promo " If you go behind sapna , you will lose parivaar", maybe Sooraj will side Sandhya strongly and will also allay her fears. That is why at the last part of the promo after getting confused she looks at Sooraj and then a confident Sandhya faces the host

Responded by Myself

Agree Shruti. I read your other reply to arti12345.  Yes the CF fiasco needs to be out.

Seems Emily's Fear clunk will drive to some ki nd of resolution for SurYA over Bhabho's opposition and finally clear all dilemma and mess out of Sandhya's mind.

Now I am speculating further...

okay for leap to happen the... these things seem to be in progress

1. Meena realizing her BS mistake by herself...
2. Emily and Mohit's truth coming out in open
3. Sandhya's dilemma between IPS and Parivaar sorted out

What is left is Chavi's truth coz, she cannot be married with lie...unless Post leap, the same issues might resurface after years in the story...like Misri looking like Meena or Chavi's secret out post her marriage...right ?

Sooraj : The Obediant Son becoming the Loving Husband

22nd July 2013 

My Post in Blue

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3674341&PID=88403898&#88403898

By skar1984

Hi Everyone,

I was reading though a lot of the posts today about Suraj and Sandhya more importantly all the different thoughts, views and overall discussion about the characterization of Suraj. We all see that Suraj is depicted to be a very loving, caring, obedient son, who in turn is proving to be an exceptionally wonderful husband. There were many instances where we would see him keeping quiet when there would be clashes between Sandhya and Bhabo - some views were of the nature that the character is being portrayed as weak which gives off a negative message and some views admired his tenacity to not get in the middle of his wife and mom and let them sort it out without picking a side. All these snippets are leading me to raise a few questions. My thoughts are not in any way to be negative towards the show or characterization of its protagonists but rather raise some dialogue for what this would translate to in the real world. 

I'm curious to know if a guy who is deeply devoted to his parents especially his mother to the point where he is blinded in his love and adoration for her would actually prove to be a successful, loving, caring, compassionate husband as we see Suraj to be. In an ideal world yes that would be the standard, however in the world we live in i don't see this as a reality. From personal experience I see men who are deeply attached to their mothers' are extremely biased towards them and often fail to see the facts and evaluate them on their own to make their own decision or judgement. In cases like that the wife is often side-lined and gravely misunderstood. It becomes a vicious cycle where even her good intentions to get her husband to see the facts are misunderstood, taken negatively thus reinforcing the son's conviction that his mother can do no wrong. Of course there are exceptions to every scenario and every situation is subject to many different variables which would change the over all outcome. I totally understand that, I'm just wondering if men can actually love and support their wives as Suraj is shown too when they are essentially a "mama's boy" in real life.

Feel free to share your thoughts!

Responded by Myself

@skar1984

A well expressed analytical thought.

For me this is a topic revisited and rediscussed here @ DABH Forum. Last I saw some of my forum pals disgusted with Sooraj's mute quality, his tenacity and capacity to get sandwiched, but not speak a word against his mother's atrocious behaviour from Oct 2011 to Feb 2011 towards Sandhya, who could be anyone's daughter, married and then no one physically there to support her from family in those times. Especially the way, she was throwing Sandhya out...and many other things...they were like Bhabho should be reported to authorities for all kinds of abuses.

We see a sandwiched Sooraj. I had stopped watching DABH unable to see the loud drama.  But then used to track my friends posts here. By April 2012, when Sooraj turned against Sandhya, those friends were upset with him and their tolerance levels were breached and they left too.

May be like me, even they have kept track of on and off progress in silent manner...as in we didn't want to get too engrossed in drama that reeks of lies and injustices and yet needed to see progress of Sooraj as the Man...like growing a worthy spine and what happens to SurYA...

NOW...why is that even now Sooraj has still my respect ?????

Because, story telling for Sooraj's character has been smooth execution.

I have seen Sooraj grow from being a Momma's boy to be determined to be a supportive husband as well.  I have seen Sooraj feeling as much pain as Sandhya; everytime his mother and his family was humiliating his wife. I have seen Sooraj standing on his room's threshold, always wondering if Sandhya will take his help, will want him, him entering his own room in an apprehensive manner as not to intrude her wife's privacy.

YES...I agree Sooraj has been MUTE to INJUSTICE...but its not that he is mute just towards his wife...this man doesn't even defend himself when his sister Chavi and his brothers Mohit and Vikram start mocking him.

Yes, we feel bad that he doesn't speak at all...But I see it as his way of staying away from dirt and muddying himself unnecessarily in getting into middle of squabbles. For him life took away the opportunity to be a learned man when he was 13 years. And now when he was married at 25, he saw another opportunity knocking at his door through his wife, who was showing a separate world to him, that was so different from what his mother, brothers and sisters profess. And though Sooraj hardly understanding anything about Sandhya, what he could see was the same honesty, truth, principles, courage, determination, being respectful to elders in Sandhya like his mother. And just like his mother was angry for being disappointed in  Sandhya, he could also see that Sandhya was disappointed in him and his family and yet the girl was trying to accept them to be save her parents honour, just as Bhabho was trying to tolerate Sandhya as she could not sever a marriage just like that at her whim, even though that is what she wanted.

Sooraj sees a strong personality in Sandhya who deserves his respect, since the moment Sandhya actually starts rejecting him in anger, even before the consummation night. He has his worst nightmare of his times, when he sees Sandhya refusing to come down to Bhabho for Chudi-Utaarna Rasm following the consummation night fiasco.  We see here a panicking Sooraj...as if he knows his marriage is almost over and waiting to explode on his mother's face. He is worried to the core and also preparing for the worst to come...that he had somehow absorbed the shock he got the previous night, and how can his mother now absorb this shock that Sandhya was going to give it to his mother...he also knows how Bhabho will make it double insulting by taking the rejection  not just towards her, but for her son as well.

This was his WORST moment in his life...A Man actually Having NO Value in the Woman's eyes he married. At his worst moment too, the man effaces himself as nothing, as no worthy husband to her, and yet as the son of the house and as the man still bound to her in marriage, says in requestful manner to think what she is going to achieve by just being angry and not communicating and not talking to him. He states to her, she is not even helping herself by just being rebeliious and stubborn. That resolute statement won me towards his side that day.

And from here on I started giving some space to Sooraj. Its not that I forgave him for being mute towards injustice, but I started seeing that he was ready to get sandwiched between Mom and Wife, he grew overnight from being momma's boy to a responsible husband. He got that lesson when he saw Sandhya rejecting HIM.  And when he sees himself as the cause of her Pain in unsaid manner, it is Sooraj's better sense that tells him that he needs to take care of his wife even as she is not giving him one chance to take care of her.  Everyday he starts fighting her rejection of him, coz he has no choice left than to fight back.

And in parallel as Bhabho's atrocities become too much,  we see him stepping in as the husband standing by her side...its again done without even a word, but his mother already sees it as rebel. But Sooraj is like already determined to take care of his wife.

Yes, there was always a LOT that Sooraj was in SHORT of Sandhya or any today's NORMAL girl's expectations, but we see that it is only this extremely unfit type of husband or person, who actually respects the intelligent girl and takes care of her.

I will not say that such men do not exist. Coz I have seen my male cousins (back in villages...lot older to me) how they manage the mother and wife in that patriarchal joint family. I have seen how they remain smart by not saying anything and always keeping both mother and wife on their toes as to never knowing what they might do to him.  Its difficult for men to manage, but they know they cannot be both Momma's boy and Joroo ka Gulam, unless it selfishly suits their needs.  Look at Vikram Rathi...he is both Momma's Boy and Joroo Ka Gulaam.  Coz, he is that Thaali ka Baingan who shifts his support between Mom and Wife as it benefits him. That is the TRUE NATURE of MAN...most of the time.

And if I compare Vikram Rathi and Sooraj Rathi, and I see in Vikram an ordinary man, then I also see Sooraj on the same plane. He too is a man who has self-interests and keeps going for them. Just that Vikram's interests are selfish and vain and Sooraj's interests are selfless and noble. Just like Vikram tries to get away with his Mom and Wife per his desires, Sooraj messes himself both with his mother and wife per his desires to see the ultimate good happening.

The oft discussed topic that Sooraj and Sandhya do not talk much and do not share everything actually that is what insulates them in this joint family. As too much discussion and transparency is sometimes dangerous before relationships have actually withstood hardships.  Sometimes the less we talk and more we develop alternate channel of communication, the better and it helps in surviving hostile joint family structures. And as trust builds, everything gradually falls into its place.

Over the long ramble what I meant to say is that...we cannot blame Sooraj for being MUTE towards INJUSTICE, as the person Sooraj ACTUALLY was NEVER GROUNDED ENUF to KNOW What is Right and What is Wrong. And he used to THINK His Mom's word was the WORD of WISDOM.  But ever since his WIFE started to rejected HIM, HE FELT the NEED to GROW as the MAN...and we see a more disturbed Sooraj at HIS INADEQUACY than HIS Momma's bullyism.  And in the process, he starts doing the RIGHT THING  FOR HIMSELF, BY HIMSELF and doesn't have a qualm breaking his Momma's traditions as he has the confidence that his mother may not understand his thought behind the act, but she does love him and will one day understand him, as he loves her too and will never do the wrong to her. THAT is HIS FAITH THERE...which always WORKED for HIM.

Various scenes throughout October, November, December 2011, January and February 2012 feed a lot of situations in Sooraj's mind related to Sandhya, both outside RP House and within RP House and GG room, that become lessons for him to evolve.

I hope you all see NOW how the story telling itself is different for Sooraj and how the Obediant Son is also able to become the Loving Husband...its because the story targeted on HIM being ILL-MATCHED and UNSUITABLE HUSBAND and plot is developed for him to EVOLVE as as GOOD HUSBAND. And in the process he also grows up to SHED his MOMMA's BOY image to just remain as Dutiful and Loving Son.

•  My earlier post in Nov 2011 speaking about the Immature Sooraj and his need to evolve.

The Immature Sooraj. Will he be evolving?
29h November 2011
Suraj wanted to have a wife who was going to serve his Bhabho. that does not put him completeley on a maturity level as far as understanding of marriage goes. if one is marrying only for his parents, where will the individual aspirations go ?

 

If  suraj unlke his siblings cannot even think one small thing for himself except his Bhabho's needs wishes, then it is not a complete fault for his siblings to behave the way they do now. before a shouting and such a backward, stubborn mother who doesn't let others voice opinions, then it is bound to happen that Vikram, Chavi and Mohit all go out for respite from suppression and tell lies.

 

Sandhya's rejection of Suraj should be a good lesson for Suraj. an apt rejection of a man who only wanted a "cow" a subservient puppet, "Bhabho ko pankha karti hui, reshmi saadi pehne hue". where is he in this dream as a husband and what are his duties for his wife ?

 

Now Suraj as he feels drawn to his wife, a thing which he did not account at the time of marriage plans and how it is going to impact the dynamics between him and his mother; and as he realizes that after all his wife is not a mere voice less puppet, but a very much living person, it is high time he develops a spine for himself.

 

The way he keeps on saying, "bhabho mei paise de deta hoon", it is him who is spoling his sibs by taking away responsibility from them. we just cannot blame bhabho. Seeing things as they are and thinking good for others, even if it means speaking hard is often the need of hour. One cannot be always the "sweet-talker" and trying to make everyone happy.

 

Hope Suraj's love for Sandhya and his understanding of her charcter as one who cannot tolerate injustice and never lying; will slowly make him realize what he was missing within him and how it will not do to bring Sandhya any closer to him. He needs to grow on the maturity level of standing upto morally righteous things and not just helping here and there, that wil lead him to me the true diya for his baati.

 

I wish all the success to him in this realization and attain Sandhya's love, for it is really a wonderful feeling that in the whole world there is that one person, who was a stranger but now he means everything to her. it is such a richness !

 

Hope the story-writers and the directors of the show keep this sensitive and sublime understanding living in all the episodes as the love story and family dynamics develop as we go 

SurYa : WTC vs SBC

They are truly a  Diya Aur Baati for each other

While Sandhya was Diya for her Baati  Sooraj in WTC championship, Sooraj is the Diya for his Baati Sandhya in SBC Championship.

WTC is World's Top Cook
SBC is Sabse Bada Champion

This response was spurred by Shruti's post that I read @IF. Here it is

Similarity of SURYA relationship in WTC and SBC

By Shrutiarvi

Remember SURYA during WTC. Sooraj was all praise for Sandhya and Sandhya encouraging him.

Sooraj goes on telling "wo ai ni" as he is shy to tell " ILU" and Sandhya wondering about it. Then finally after the semi final he finally manages to tell those 3 letters to her and she reciprocates. 

We see a much stronger Sooraj for the final, a Sooraj capable of conquering the world because he knows Sandhya loves him. 

Now let us take SBC. From the time Sooraj had given the matka in Bhabo's hand Sandhya is praising him for his support. She is telling in multitude of ways she is happy with him and we see Sooraj just acknowledging or smiling.After seeing the promo this is what I feel.

Sandhya had heard Bhabo speaking to Babasa that Sooraj's status will get affected if she becomes IPS and he will be feeling sad from inside and will not be able to tell this to anyone. Sandhya wants to speak to Sooraj about this, but somehow unable to and she is trying indirect ways to convey that he is not small , she loves him, he is important to her etc..

Can a point come before SBC final where Sandhya will speak her mind to him. Where she will ask him society might not be kind to them. He might be taunted. Will he be still with her withstanding that. Will he at any point feel inadequate and decided to end their relationship if she becomes IPS. She will tell IPS is important to her, but it is incomplete without him. She at no point want to lose him because of IPS.

This will make Sooraj allay her fears, something like an educated girl like her has respected him, she is always proud to talk about him, her friend had given her divorce papers so that she can chase her dream,  she decided to respect the seven vows she took with him and sacrifice her dream. When society taunted her she didnt leave him, so why should he feel inadequate if she becomes IPS. He will always have pride for her. He knows , her trust is what matters to him and as she is incomplete without him, he is also incomplete without her. It can go something like this ... 

This convo can make SURYA bond stronger and the fact that Sooraj is with her no matter what can help her cross over Bhabo emotional atyachaar.

So what to do you think. If the above scene happens it will be one of the most beautiful scenes of DABH as I expect a emotional hug post this convo 

Responded by myself

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Sooraj is not at all getting the various hints that Sandhya is throwing at him about his place in her life. She considers him her greatest gift/honor and she has been saying it quite aggressively in three separate incidents ... the TV remote scene. the Dukaan scene where she tells him how proud her father would have been of Sooraj and the recent Photo frame shifting and Sandhya's refusal to let it move.  Babasa's Get Free Saree from Meena contest between Sandhya and Emily also had seen, Sandhya making a statement that with her husband's faith and belief on her she can fetch stars from the sky too. Even this part, Sooraj has been happy for Sandhya's confidence over fetching stars but he is NOT taking his beliefs as THE DEAL for Sandhya. Though Ghat scene, 2rd Matka as gaurantee and umbrella scenes are all about his faith and his beliefs, somewhere the connect point is being missed by Sooraj that those 3 things were exactly where Sandhya has changed from what he knew her as. Yes definitely as the viewer I feel the two different states of mind between husband and wife at each time of the 6 incidents collectively...either the two actors have brought out the nuances effectively purely as consequential results of their acting or it could also be the fact that the actors needed to bring that characteristic differences between the couple at each of those 6 incidents - 3 for Sandhya and 3 for Sooraj.  I would rather delude myself thinking that the latter is the true case.

Shruti,

So these repeated trials of Sandhya in hinting to Sooraj that its not just about her dream getting fulfilled through him, but his presence in her life as the guiding light and his support for her throughout her life is what she is looking from him, are exactly like Sooraj's days in WTC's days. He was under stress that he might fail and may disappoint his family...but her stubborn support and motivation made him open up to her. She was risking her life for him... Every time she was showing him confidence, Sooraj would make a comeback with loving gestures...and one of them becoming repetitive which was Wo Ai Ni.  And after Sandhya's motivation when she sees the visible change in Sooraj,  as she displays her extreme happiness in his success, it boosts Sooraj to go for a clear cut confession on Wo Ai Ni. He speaks quite confidently how he fell in love with her and how much he loves her and how he wants her to say it that she too feels the same. That was such a confident request from him and she showered it on him in all shyness and all pleasure.

So in the same token, yes we are seeing a Sandhya wanting to convey something to her husband...she may not have coyly teased him or romantically been able to tell him, but there is a lot of seriousness and impatience to convey her inner feelings to him as soon as possible. That he is always important to her regardless of the IPS dream...But Sooraj, just like Sandhya in WTC is unable to catch her meaning. We can see that in all the three scenes that I cited above, Sooraj is unable to catch her driving point behind her abrupt reactions and statements. He is being just WOW !!, Shy or saying, So I come under the league of great men ?!!! and just smiling about it as just a routine praise...and that's it. He is missing her point that she is getting dependent on his support throughout regardless of her dream/no dream.

Yes, there is a possibility that Sandhya too can become nervous about her and Bhabho's apprehensions and how Sooraj is not getting it...Probably as Sandhya starts getting closer to finals, maybe he can hear people talking about their disparity and if Sooraj does not get the rude hint, may be Sandhya will have another reaction...and may be then they can have another scene that shall allay her fears...and may be then Sooraj will realize what she had been trying to tell him.  

And at that point Sooraj would also be ready to go ahead with their emotional and physical intimacy as presently he is under the shadow of responsibility of fulfilling his wife's parents dreams for her and so denying himself all the pleasures of marital life. His wife has been always slow to understand these things and he is been making her comfortable around it. Once he puts aside the IPS dream as the most important thing for him, and he is able to see both his Wife and IPS dream in the same frame (unlike the last scene where he was ready to take down the picture of himself and his wife from the wall to adorn it with championship certificates of Sandhya Sooraj Rathi), they will proceed to both emotional and physical intimacy.   Its definitely going to be a PROUD MOMENT once again for Sooraj in knowing that Sandhya needs his love and support as much as he needed her love and support at the time of WTC.   

He needs to snap out from his own need to see her win and see that she has been living and trying to achieve his dream and not hers. He needs to understand that she is not just appreciating him for letting her pursue her dream, but there have been changes within her.  Yes, Shruti, you are right...it needs to dawn on him why she is making statements now...unlike just being shy and reticent like always. He seems to be lost in his own world of happiness treating her as his princess...but somewhere along the lines...that she is been trying to tell that he is the king of her heart is being missed by him.

Originally posted by Deebz
I did seriously get the impression that Sandhya and Suraj are one now. I wanted a more dramatic realization from Sandy's end. Something to the scale of their first hug after the accident. But Cvs have handled it more subtly but quite touchingly too.  As SD put it, Sandy is emotionally connected to him now but is still quite awkward in expressing it. Bhabasa actually  made it quite clear how deep their connection is and how strong is Sandy's commitment to her husband.  Suraj is now totally single minded about the fulfillment of her IPS dream. Being a man, with such a beautiful wife who he is cazy about, it must have been a Herculean effort on his part to be this way. Now that he has achieved it, he is not letting anything distract him. Not even Sandy

How sweet will it be when she will finally make him understand that she is his,  body and soul. All our wait will be worth it with this magical couple. Quite frankly those who have missed watching dabh would have missed something really really special. I hope Cvs will not let us down here.

Responded by myself

I loved how you said it there. The whole thing. @bold and that is what we all seem to be waiting for.

Infact, how many times, in our real lives too, we end up saying  the same"I love you's" or "I am there for you's" for different reasons and different contexts. And that's how the relationship keeps traversing though time and situation.  Its now a new phase of life for SurYa.

Responded by Shruti

@SD thanks for analyzing my post so beautifully. You have put forth all my thoughts in your reply. The promo gives all hints of it.

@Deebz you are right. Sandhya is hinting multiple times he is important to her, more important than her dream, but Sooraj is unable to catch on to that. I want her to tell it out loudly to him and throw Bhabo out of that GG room once and for all

DABH : Plotlines and Characterizations - A Critical Assessment

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6th July 2013 - My Responses in Blue to romantisch & shruthiravi

Subject of Discussion: DABH - Illumination stubbed or ignited

Illumination stubbed or ignited

Originally posted by romantisch

Hello to all members as am a newbie.

I thought of starting this thread as have watched this serial for quite some time, oft and on...

The very point of joing the forum was not only this serial but a very subjective opinion of how the TV shows in general have declined.

So shall not go into those details as shall stick to this particular serial, which holds light to light (as far as the name suggests) but has long since degraded into obscurism. The light fades out by the day and looks like is snubbed (going by the never ending episodes).

POSITIVE START

This serial had everything one needed a very strong message: Liberty and equality of women in a  changing society. 

But alas it soon got lost into petty feuds and illogical reasoning.

EVIL PERSONIFIED

Altruistic approaches have been snuffed out by a story line that justifies that the end can be met by all evil means. 

A lot of members have been complaining of several issues and tracks that are not resolved.

How long can a theft go unnoticed (the directors) not only did leave the issue of a person stealing a watch unresloved but the matter was conveniently forgotten to make way for more evils to come. No one now talks about how the watch was stolen and the initials forged (bravo).

Most of the characters are either Diabolic or Weak which is not the way a joint or even a sensible nuclear family functions.

THE ILLUMINATION : The lead pair is idealistic but weak, the son who is a bread winner and gets humiliated by a mother who has her own rule of jurisprudence(forget justice and not prudent). Each and every action of his is court martialed in front of a venom spewing family and the poor kid just takes the brunt. As of now this proves him to be a weak archaic person (persona non grata!). 

His wife who holds torch to the principles of truth (including some scenes with the father of the nation) has no qualms about lying when she has to to protect a mother in law who leaves no bowls unturned to humiliate her and her husband.

THE SIBLINGS : These brothers and sisters could put the siblings of Cindrella to shame(at least out there the lines were drawn as the whole family was STEP).

The brothers lesser said the better, they seem to be groomed to make fun of their elder brother and sister in law. They rave and rant and while talking of family values, their non chalant stupid behaviour always seems to be met with a green signal. Did we forget that one of them tipsy as he was with his drunk wife spent the night in a cell. Well, well this never came to light. 

The other one has casual sex and this is justified as the poor daughter in law(of course the eldest) gets blamed and a pot springs up as a challenge.

The sister (heaven forbade) a good to do nothing creature (why is she even there!!!). A lot having being said about her as well better not to dwell (Necklace misplaced in a beauty parlour and the brother gets humiliated) alongside a whole lot of tomfoolery that is never justified in the serial.

THE DAUGHTER IN LAWS: The lesser said the better. One steals (watches...never resolved? Money from ATMS a grave crime pardoned in a teary weepy way, swaps babies...never mind that still this problem remains a shame...girl babies are killed, so many women raped etc etc...) 

The other one cheats, lies and does what ever she finds to justifies her means(which include loving a spineless husband).

So the question is :

How long does the audience wait so that this mess untangles irself.

Dear members, this is just fiction, but does that justify the loose ends and loop holes...

Thanks for your kind attention and the fact that you really did go through the post

Responded by shruthiravi

See considering other serials DABH is far better. I am talking from a perspective of other Malayalam and Tamil serials I have to tolerate at home as my mom watches it. DABH has a storyline. Yes it has. Agreed it is dragging. But what to do TRP rules the world and successful serials adhere to it.

Coming to your point, CVs close most of the tracks with something positive for Sooraj and Sandhya. And many occasions they have showed that when something negative is aimed at SURYA the most positive happens for them in the end.

For e.g Meena not allowing Sandhya to attend award function. This was the sole reason by which Sooraj came to know about Sandhya's dream, else Sandhya would have never told it.

Chavi losing necklace and Sooraj getting blamed. It was because he went in search of that necklace that he came to know about night college and enrolled Sandhya there.

Last but not the least current Chavi matter- Matka broke, but the CVs will show that matka actually broke Chavi's life as Chavi's marriage is going to be on a lie and she will get the humilation at her in laws place.

There are many like this in the serial which I have appreciated.

One thing I want to stress is that DABH tries to stress on the point that your Karma catches up with you no matter what. Though SURYA forgives and forgets the universe will not forgive or forget. Punishment may not be from SURYA for evil characters, they will be put in situations which will be the punishment for them.

For e.g Bhabo did have to stand as a thief atleast for a day in FB track  for all the wrongful accusations she threw on Sandhya. It was a warning for Bhabo to reform. Unfortunatley she didnt care. So I am sure something big is coming her way

Coming to negative characters getting punished. Yes I want LC to come out and BS also at the earliest. But most probably this will be dragged as without Bhabo and Meena in the frame Sandhya's challenge is over. Especially LC will be dragged for sure.

With mega serials patience is the word, to be frank even I dont have it. I would have preferred DABH to be a book which I could easily read and finish in couple of days. I guess DABH is a serial one should watch after it goes off air. Then we can watch it at a go and feel happy about it. 

Responded by Myself

@bold ...Agree with you.

I did the same. Left the show beginning of 2012, after Sandy gets stopped by Suraj for leaving the house and Bhabho gives her the idiotic 15 day challenge.  Though I always liked SurYa Chemistry, I was like...let it go on...and recently, I thought let me catch up with them what's going on in their life.  I was in India in May this year when I watched that LC drama...being shoved by Bhabho...I was just flipping the channels when  I happened to see them.  But what caught me by surprise was...Bhabho ke ghar mein Isaai Shaadi...as in inter-religion marriage ???!!! I was like...oh! So Sandhya and Suraj keep going after their social service missions.  Coz I happened to stop during the time Dump Trash in Trash Bin Social Message.  And now we have this inter-religion.  Seemed Bhabho had to gulp down too much defeat at Sandhya's hands. And that made me smile.

So ...in June...I started watching randomly for SurYa scenes.  See a lot of improvement in the couple's relationship.  Suraj has taught the shy Sandhya what it is being romantically involved.  Sandhya now instead of earlier sensibly behaving  as the intelligent girl who sees her husband attracted to her, his desire for her, his helping nature; and what a good man he is; is now sensibly responding to him with emotions as well.  She used to be a girl totally oblivious to romantic interest because of her soul and mind trapped in her dream and love for service towards general good...that is what her parents taught her.  And Suraj always could make out this about his young wife. And that was one of the reason, why he never wanted her in resignation or submission.  I like now that Suraj has finally been successful in having a cheery Sandhya before him. He may be surprised about that aspect, but every naughty, teasing or happy look is registered by him and he inches close to her forcing to drop the barriers of formal educational difference between them and instead has made Sandhya realize there is knowledge beyond formal education as well. And there is that balancing act as well that her HALWAAYI Husband has learnt to walk on the tight rope of continuing to remaining the sweet person with sweet tongue for everyone amidst the bitter and sour and decadent characters around him.  

In a lot of scenes, I am seeing how the couple undulate between Confidence and Diffidence.  While Sandhya is confident about rules on enforcement agencies and what would be those duties and is able to fight for the right without  Suraj's support, Suraj used to come as the diffident guy.  Now today that diffident guy, instead of pulling down Sandhya's confidence has become her support by trusting her knowledge and helped fighting the wrong in each of his wife's social service missions. It shows the dormant side of Suraj character who could not get this side of his developed due to lack of formal education...though he was smart enough to discern that Sandhya new about Policegiri more than what could be read in school or college texts.  Suraj has now effectively developed himself to lose his diffidence in fighting for the right as he sees that whatever his wife does, it is for others good (which is his principle as well) and that it is appreciated by great people around her (like the DSP or diff Madams).

Suraj likewise is confident about maintaining relationships, house-hold chores and his work. This is where Sandhya is diffident. She is not a good wife by social standards even today. But in her diffidence, she has accepted only one challenge for herself...to be the good DIL for her Bhaabo. Somewhere, Bhabho's insults to her by repeatedly accusing her brother, and parents had made Sandhya very defensive about them. So the defensive daughter and Sister though standing on the side of Truth, gives into Bhabo's demands as for her it is a challenge that she needs to pass the test of good DIL.  The day Sandhya breaks out of this Diffidence, she will do herself a LOT of justice and understand being the WIFE of Suraj as well.  It is for nothing that MAASA likes Sandhya. Maasa notices the spunk that Sandhya has, which Bhabho lacks.  And Sandhya needs to get that SPUNK back.  And in here Suraj keeps instilling that confidence that she can do it.

So together the couple as I see now...have grown a lot.  They value their strengths, recognize their weaknesses and more importantly remain dignified in their responses to each other.  Somewhere, the two embarked on getting closer to each other becoming man and wife after return from Singapore and Suraj would have achieved that had he not been revealed of Sandhya's dream.  It is since that day, Suraj is becoming less of romantically interested in her, though loving her more and more as each day goes by.  And here we see Sandhya slowly assuming that role in their relationship, though in very incompetent manner.  Like Sandhya is guilty of lie of her brother and so works day and night to be the IDEAL BEENDNI of Rathi Pariwaar, Suraj is seeing God's command that he needs to fulfil Sandhya's dream as he sees her parents passed on that mantle to him.

THis is the truth that has festered them...sometimes a great impediment to being SurYa and yet they are DABH to each other. If we remember the scene at the temple where they both pray, they both are telling about their individual dreams and hopes from each other to GOD. This is the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFkc4MmMeKs

Now this has reversed.  The dreams have been accepted by either of them without them actually even talking about it. Its like God heard them and did his work.

Bhabho is ONE big loser in the drama as I caught up with the drama.  The story telling is told in such a way that Mittals do not want to be rebellious, but want their Educated Girl to educate People like Bhabho on the drawbacks on carrying forward backward traditions by regressive thinking. In every track I see that SurYa or Sandhya expose the TRUTH and Progressive Thinking is LAID on the table...and it is left for Bhabho to decide if she wants to PICK it up or Not.  The moment when she removed the cap from Sandhya's head and gave it back to DSP, shows us how INSECURE she is as the person challenged by NEW AGE thinking.  Through Bhabho it is the Struggle between New and Old Generation. She is the authoritarian and upholder of traditons, even if they are bad.  So then doesn't Sandhya's mission to change people like Bhabho start from her home ground ??!!!

Sandhya has done awesome job so far to silence Bhabho's screeching voice and public humiliations of her DIL and her SON. Her army is her vain sons and daughters and the two selfish DILs that she has.  THE BIGGEST CHANGE in Bhabho is that she has accepted that SurYa will never go against her but will always show her the truth and she will be forced to ACCEPT their POV. This has now become GALE KI HADDI of Bhaabo...na nigalte banta hai, na Ugalte banta hai.  

Its not that Sandhya and Suraj cannot get angry and put their younger sibs in their place, but they know that it is Bhabho who has forbidden them to exercise their right. She is THAT INSECURE. And this is where Suraj with the leverage of being the doted son helps his wife in transparent manner before his mother and this is where Bhabho has resorted to Blackmailing Sandhya and now even cheating her like that LC shoving.

For the drama to progress, it is important that Bhabho is won over emotionally by her really going down too low to beat her insecurity that Sandhya has come to usurp her place. It is then all the side characters of Meenudi, Mohit and Chavi and now Emily will be stubbed.

Towards the title of this TOPIC...I would say  

• Bhabho tries to have Illumination Stubbed in every Track.
• And SurYa Keep fighting her and Illumination is Ignited end of every Track.

So far the entire family behind Sandhya's back praises her intelligence, investigative skills and her support and good naturedness. In front of Bhabo they ditch her because they know if they support her Bhabho is going to be angry with them. Perfectly correct portrayal of a weak mind.  I am seeing how many times Vikram, Mohit, Chavi and Meena have actually praised Sandhya. And twice even Bhaho was missing Sandhya.

So its all selfishness and insecurity of the Ruling Party where the Opposition Party SurYa are definitely getting more votes.  Time to get dirty and so Bhabho is playing it dirty.

@ bold.  Even now I am not regularly watching the soap...I would like to see it after few more months...but I just stopped by the Forum to hear what you are all speaking. IMO, I believe that if the last Matka also gets broken and later Bhabho sees how actually Sandhya did it for her and her family, she will be ashamed of her low thinking.  And in here...already Meena's Baby Swapping drama is being slowly unravelled.  Meena is now unable to take it that her cute daughter gets all the attention of her husband, the shooting Crew at the studio and now Bhabhasa and all playing with her. IMO the fairness of her daughter and Kanha's dark color and his lack of bonding with her or vice versa, is going to blow up in a fit of jealous rage...or another Sandhya or Suraj scoop.  Bhabho needs to learn a lesson there about gender discrimnation.   And when Bhabho sees Sandhya's Bhabhi helping her husband, there is another lesson to be learnt there.

May be they will drag the story...but to me now what is important is how many more defeats that Bhabho is going to get through Meena, Chavi, Mohit, Vikram and Emily.  Vikram is bit improved. So that is his development. Others I see are inwardly afraid of their SurYa but become barking dogs before Bhabho. So there is character development there also.   Underlying meaning in not punishing these culprits is that IN FAMILIES you cannot punish people, but they are forgiven and given chance.  And this is how Sandhya has to achieve her dream of SERVING PEOPLE.  Her dream was never just to wear IPS uniform. Her dream was to serve the country and people...and Sandhya is doing a hell of a job for Hanuman Gali and Pushkar with her biggest supporter friend being her Halwayee husband.

Somewhere, their dreams are already realized. And they never stop.  

Look at the way Suraj made the progress.  Too respectful of educated people, Suraj used to salute people making himself look more the illiterate rather than 9th pass one. Now he is able to confidently speak to even DSPs.  He used to bribe police to get away, now wears helmet and is now ready to become the traffic clearer for the sake of a medical emergency (in the beginning also he was a helpful man and that is how he ended up taking Sandhya's parents to hospital), he no longer bribes, but is able to stay his ground with authorities.  All the changes that we see in Suraj in his dealings with People around him are Sandhya's achievements of her dream...serve your people and country in such a way that you become an inspiration for others to change themselves towards social ethics.

And likewise, Sandhya made the progress...dream can be realized...BUT dreams have a COST of their own. This is what she has learnt and everyday she goes through this balancing act of sorting her priorities per situation never swaying even once from her mind that is Unique in its own way. She was intelligent and she remains intelligent even now. She was strong spirited girl and she is even now.  What she has to deal was something that none should have...being cheated. She was cheated. But she chose to stand by her principles that were taught by her parents and first for them handled the Cheating with Dignity and now has understood her husband. She is slowly falling in love with her husband. She definitely has not reached the stage where Suraj means everything to her...but we can see that a seething anger is growling in her at anyone who looks down upon her husband now. So what I see for future is that Sandhya may not give a damn about her dream, will continue to place truth, service and family relationships of the house higher over Suraj, but she definitely is going to be one possessive and protective wife for her husband.  We got to see this aspect raising its head in the TV remote episode and later their conversation as to how she interprets that her father is now happy that indeed she is married to a great man. For her Suraj may not be a formally educated man, but he remains a man of principles that he never compromises about and a man who never discriminates between anyone and is supportive to everyone...and not just her. This too is SERVICE to mankind in her eyes.  And add to that he loves her so much that she has become his life.

Right ?!!!

24th July 2013

With regards to Meena's win in SMB Competition showing Misri as her daughter and Emily and Mohit's corrupt efforts to win the competition.

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3651229&PID=88543414&#88543414

Originally posted by romantisch

CORRUPTION

As the serial meanders it's way lazily through the labrynths of lies, what is evident now is CORRUPTION.

Just to prolong the longetivity of a serial is it justified to portray such negativism. 

Swapped babies win competition and the corrupt lie crowned (as you shall inevitably watch tonight).

Instead of subtly tackling issues the producers have taken pains to incorporate every possible social blunder in this serial...

The end shall be a happy one no doubt...but, the question that shall haunt would be was all this justified. 

For any viewer it is but evident what the grande finale shall be all about, but could they have not done it in a more graceful and subtle way.

Responded by myself

This was a NEW ABYSMAL LOW POINT for the show, even if it to HAVE TWIST in favour of the Protagonists.  This kind of treatment to the story is not justified.

Totally with your sentiments.

Responded by romantisch
Thanks 0-SD-0

The need of the hour is to sensitivise the population about the growing number of problems that our country faces, not glorify certain things that all of us face in our day to day lives.

KUDOS and thanks for your say.

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Originally posted by romantisch

RACISM

An apology rendered to those whose sentiments stand hurt, but again this is purely subjective so please allow me to air my views on this.

Agreed that the baby swapping thing has taken this serial to absymal depths, it continues to plunder down into a black hole and shall get absorbed in a vacuum given the devious twists and turns.

Agreed the baby girl is sweet and fair skinned and whatever (the whole nation is obsessed by fair and lovely), on the other hand the poor little boy is made to look like a village idiot. Is this treatment fair?

Responded by myself

Black is black.

White is White

Truth is Truth.

There are good looking fair skinned people.

There are good looking dark skinned people.

For some only fairness matters.

For some only beauty of the skin matters.

For some only beauty of the souls matters.

It is not justified to add negatives to negatives to make a selling point towards some social, moral and ethical teaching and corrections.

DABH Producers already suffered a debacle on the rival channel with their show which had the premise to teach the fair skin loving heroine the meaning of Beauty of Soul by forcing her to see there is beauty behind ugly looking dark-skinned people.  The show FAILED and is now OFF the air.

Problem is that not seeming story Plot.  Problem was Execution of it.  One cannot deny people the right to love beauty. It is their individual aesthetic sense.  If half of the world runs around fair color, half run around beauty also, any kind they see.  And it is presently the AGE where talking of Dark Skin in derogatotory sense is NO Longer appealing and entertaining on screen to watch.  Just on this ground, any idea, any story theme will fail.

Story Writers :  Advice to you

Leave Aesthetic judgment to Viewers. Don't force them your views in PREACHING Style.

Show Beauty of Character and Ugliness of character by taking a mix of both fair skinned and dark skinned characters without mocking dark skin, but rather showing the under-currents of Pity towards dark skin, then you would be able to execute new line of thinking for people.

Don't execute story on basic instincts on cavemen type of notions,  but execute them from today's vantage of the new generation of kids and older generation of citizens.  In my life, I have seen people stoically accepting dark color as more challenging than fair color, fair is more appealing than dark, yet beauty has higher appreciation than color.   And between beauty of soul and beauty of skin, soul takes the higher pedestal. And yet, people inspite of knowing all this, go for their sense of aesthetic appeal, as what they want is comfort that is feel good.  

Daisa and her DIL have both shown to be fair-skinned and beautiful ladies. We have not seen Daisa's son, but I assume he must be tolerably fair as all people from Northern lands are fair. Its plain anthropology knowledge.  Daisa is also shown to be a rich woman with TV and all. So no way KANHA can be that dark-skinned and made to look like Village Bumpkin.  THIS IS ANOTHER ABYSMAL LOW of the SERIAL.  NOT AT ALL JUSTIFIED to take someone down so that RATHI PARIVAAR is MADE AN IDIOT of their SENTIMENTS LATER ON.  

Whatever it is the family is loving Kanha as their kid.  But to engage in such rigmarole of emotions is simply convoluted story writing as there are no psycopaths who need to be treated with shock treatments here.  We can have only passing references that shall be registered by all. Dark is better than White is NOT a crusade, CRUSADE in this context is about a BOY is NO BETTER than A GIRL, THEY BOTH ARE EQUAL as each are important contribution to Social health.

Responded by romantisch
Kudos dear 0-SD-0

You could not have said it better. Thanks a lot for intelectually stimulating the forum.

Responded by shrutiarvi

@SD even I agree with you. They need not have shown Misri really beautiful( by the way I love the baby, she looks so so cute) and Kanha impoverished( inspite of that I am liking him too for his large eyes). Instead they could have taken 2 normal babies to drive home the point. Also I was not at all liking SMB funda. There could have been better ways to expose a crime of such magnitude.

CVs should not show repentance is always the best medicine. If that is the case then we need no law enforcement. What is the need for Sandhya to become IPS. She can give bhasan to all and make them repent. If they end BS with repentance then it is a abysmal low as it involves another family and their sentiments too.

Responded by romantisch

Thanks shruthi just went through some of your comments and very much am in favour of what you posted.

What unfortunately started of on a promising note withered into a shadow like pale version of the original.

Looks like people are in love with the Bard of avon quoting so misquoting with ample abundance all is fare in love and war;

So the mother il law could put the witch in Macbeth to shame. The father in law is (sans tragedy) king Lear. The one with the golden dream once resembled portia but now is a pale comparision of juliette. The son is the prince of Denmark(of course the evil mother is omnipresent. The rest of the cast is composed of clowns that can easily fit in a comedy like mid summers night dream, without an iota of intelligence.

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By romantisch

Well 0-SD-0, you have summed it up beautifully there and thank you once again for illuminating the forum. 

Your post ignited the ruffled feather feeling, have been having of late.

The sad part remains that the serail still soars and the producers keep on adding to the all pervailing viciousness. Nonsensical things (like this idiotic competition alongside the baby thing) rely on cheap (read very cheap gimmicks) to whet the appetites of poor audience.

No one seems to have raised a voice when the poor baby boy was swathed in talcum white (why??????...as an audience are we so insensitive). Time and again his colour keeps on cropping in and now the poor thing seems to have lost it out all now because of the fact that he is not fair. 

Whereas the protagonist is showed shifting loyalties towards her biological daughter (not as she was illuminated...a flash and a bolt from the sky that would put in order her all wrecked out brains), as the little kid is fair and lovely and seems to be in harmony with the all pervading skin colour.

This is an assault to the viewers intelligence. Why does no one raise the issue and such episodes ought to have been long past banned.

We all know how this tortuous serial is going to end. A song and a dance of liberating a woman. BUT DID THE END JUSTIFY THE MEANS????

Is the question. 

A bloody shame!

Responded by myself

This was exactly the feeling I had got by Mid Feb in 2012 and I left the show. As in I refuse to be part of it as me being part is only encouragement to TRP viewers. But surprisingly TRP soared and soared.  I still do not watch it on everyday basis as it is still the same pain I receive through other characters.

But what I love is still Sooraj and Sandhya's love story and Sooraj and Sandhya as two evolving people from their own diffidence entering into realm of confidence.  That is the only hope that makes me want to know what's happening in the story.

That is what makes me see why people make the show a Hit and I see that everyone just watches Sooraj and Sandhya and rarely give any thought to what the other clowns do.

Oh! how I wish for once Sooraj and Sandhya stood up to Justice Served and NOT REMAIN MUTE. Now its 2 years of the show. Its high time they both SHOULD BE CONFIDENT to NOT LET the CLOWNS STUB ILLUMINATION  and just not be happy with themselves igniting illumination.

If you remember my previous response to you some days before, I showed how SurYa ignite illumination and how Bhabho & Co stub Illumination and how SurYa's winning is what matters.

But Like I said above and as shrutiarvi said above about not just repentence, even punishment is must,  we need SurYa to PROTEST AGAINST the CLOWNS STUBBING ILLUMINATION if they cannot punish those acts.  Come on for God;s sake, its two years to the show now...Have some mercy and be fair to Justice Served.